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    Anti-drone technology

    Increasingly police depts. and law enforcement and yes, government are using small UAVs and other remote controlled devices to "enforce" (ahem) spy and "observe" you.

    This seems like a big private market. Drone detection and jamming ground control signals to make them crash. There are ways it could be done. Think it would be viable?

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    Are the signals to/from the drone encrypted? If not one could scramble the signal and do as they please with info. This happened in the desert a few yrs back and the Tailaban knew where we were and when we were going to strike. Supposedly they used common hardware from Radio shack (the derka verison) to intercept the feeds. I think they are used on the US/Mexico border too.

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    I would think making a drone crash would lead to prison time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tx 3 putt View Post
    I would think making a drone crash would lead to prison time.
    Feed the machine. Develop technology to make a drone crash and sell it = OK.

    Develop technology to keep people to from making drones crash = $$.

    I profit on both sides. And I'm on the side of knocking them down, just for the record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tx 3 putt View Post
    I would think making a drone crash would lead to prison time.

    And also, some m'fer flies a little remote control plane over your house and videotapes you, and you don't have the right to protect your airspace? You are a sovereign being, 3-putt. Don't forget it. The RF jamming devices are illegal in the US, but you could move to Bermuda or somewhere and develop them while you fish.

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    Anyway I was just fooling around with the post, but I'm not fooling around with the thought of getting around what is illegal vs. developing an alternative that will knock the little police planes out of the sky. I couldn't do it myself though because I'm a moron.

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    Drones are cool

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    Not saying this is being developed of course, but imagine little drone bugs that could track you and your house and then infiltrate in the middle of the night, and then deliver a common toxic venom by said bug to your jugular while you're sleeping. Natural causes.

    Perhaps we should re-evaluate our time watching Colbert? Never mind, the government will keep you safe.

    Bernard 2.0.

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    There are already tiny drones that do that, vapa, that's what I'm talking about, is developing the tech to make them crash. We can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judge roybeanbag View Post
    There are already tiny drones that do that, vapa, that's what I'm talking about, is developing the tech to make them crash. We can do that.
    occupy tech and $#@! govt, more or less.

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    Yes this can be done.

    I believe early on these drones were controlled by frequencies (like a radio controlled air plane), now the controls are much more sophisticated (ie. the Taliban probably found out how to send frequency signals into the air to "confuse" and "distort" the controls to the said drones.

    Most likely, now the controls on the drones are fed by satellites (sorta the way your cell phone picks up and communicates with satellites). The controls, camera, flight vision, etc are all fed and uplinked by satellites.

    Once the china man figures out how to intercept satellite signals to specific equipment, it's all over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judge roybeanbag View Post
    There are already tiny drones that do that, vapa, that's what I'm talking about, is developing the tech to make them crash. We can do that.
    Oh I hear ya brother. But what you're talking about isn't really all that feasible for a variety of reasons. I would suggest you not concentrate on how to defeat the technology - instead, concentrate on ensuring the technology is used properly with an accountable government. It is here, and it will become as prevalent as the blue sky above us. Non-lethal "anti-crowd" beams, surveillance, and the low yield weapons. There is no stopping the technology. And when the mind reading capability is fully developed (yes it exists), it's going to take us to a whole new level.

    As an example, I just read a few people's minds right now. They thought, "tin foil hat." To them I respond with a Thanksgiving parable from the Global Guerrillas blog:

    The parable of the happy Turkey. Cut/paste and forward it to any/all of the happy Turkey's you know. It's kind of blunt, but it gets across an important point.

    In the morning, a nice man comes for a visit.
    He puts food in your bowl.
    The food is fresh and tasty.
    The food is always in plentiful supply.
    At night there's a warm place to sleep.
    The next day, the process is repeated. The nice man visits, he feeds you, and you sleep comfortably. It repeats day after day.
    You think: everything is right with the world. How could anything possibly go wrong? In fact, the only thing I really have to fear is getting hit by lightening when it rains or a the rare chance a fox might get under the wire and into the coop (which very seldom happens). The Turkeys that worry about this are pessimists.
    One day, the nice man arrives.
    The nice man grabs you.
    He lays you across a stump, your neck exposed.
    He raises an axe and cuts off your head.

    It has never been more important than now to ensure government is transparent and accountable to the People than it is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother Mopar View Post
    Are the signals to/from the drone encrypted? If not one could scramble the signal and do as they please with info. This happened in the desert a few yrs back and the Tailaban knew where we were and when we were going to strike. Supposedly they used common hardware from Radio shack (the derka verison) to intercept the feeds. I think they are used on the US/Mexico border too.
    The Predator used unencrypted data links, it didn't really allow for any takeover of control, just interception of the data feed, aka video. It's been a known issue, no one bothered to address it until Iran started feeding insurgents the ability to intercept the video.

    UAVs use RF for control and data, you can jam them but it won't cause them to crash. They are always preprogrammed to loiter until reacquire or to RTB after a set period of no control inputs or fuel milestones. So best case you can cause one to fly back to base. Crashing one would involve either frying the onboard controller or taking direct control, which you aren't going to be able to hack together with a Pringles can and your MacBook.

    Besides, you're looking at the problem the wrong way. The UAV doesn't matter if the receiver, in this case law enforcement, can't see it. Just jam the ground station that's pulling the data and the UAV don't make a $#@!.

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    Thanks appreciate the info, goos stuff. I've never worked UAV's, RPV's whatever their name is this week. I'll stick to the manned verisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEngr View Post
    Most likely, now the controls on the drones are fed by satellites (sorta the way your cell phone picks up and communicates with satellites).
    Your cell phone communicates with ground-based towers.

    Sat phone technology does exist but they don't fit in your pocket:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_phone.jpg

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