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    FL Gov. orders drug testing for state employees...owns chain of drug test companies

    http://www.pensitoreview.com/2011/03...-mil-per-year/

    March 31, 2011
    --> ..Fla. Gov. Rick Scott’s Big Govt Program to Drug Test State Workers Could Cost Taxpayers $23.5 Mil Per Year
    Will a Big Chunk of It Go to Scott's Own Company, Solantic?
    Jon Ponder | Mar. 30, 2011
    Part of the series, Assault on Florida.

    Last week, Florida’s already wildly unpopular new Republican governor, Rick Scott, issued an executive order requiring state employees to submit to drug tests at least four times a year.

    Last night, Rachel Maddow cited Scott’s order to illustrate the wide gap between Republican campaign rhetoric about small government and the sort of big-government policies they pursue when they get elected.

    “Floridians deserve to know that those in public service, whose salaries are paid with taxpayer dollars, are part of a drug-free workplace,” Scott said, when he announced the order. “Just as it is appropriate to screen those seeking taxpayer assistance, it is also appropriate to screen government employees.”

    Scott has only lived in Florida for a few years and so was not in the state in 1998 when an earlier government experiment with drug-testing poor people proved not to be cost-effective. At a cost of $90 per test, the program was zilched after it failed to produce evidence of widespread drug abuse among people on public assistance.

    Who will be tested, when and how often?

    Here’s the key paragraph from Scott’s Executive Order Number 11-58 [PDF]:


    I hereby direct all agencies within the purview ofthe Governor to amend their drug-testing policies to provide for pre-employment drug testing for all prospective new hires and for random drug testing of all employees within each agency. The amended policy should provide for the potential for any employee, including all full-time and part-time employees, and employees of any employment classification — including but not limited to, Senior Management Service, Select Exempt Service Career Service; and other Personal Services — to be tested at least quarterly.

    So “all full-time and part-time employees, and employees of any employment classification” are to be tested “at least quarterly.”

    How many state employees are there in Florida?

    According to the State Personnel System Annual Workforce Report 2009-2010 [PDF],”There were 167,797 total established positions in all state employment systems at the end of fiscal year 2009/2010.”

    And how much will each drug test cost?

    It appears that the cost of drug-testing has gone down from $90 each in 1998. The governor’s office did not release an official figure, but here perhaps is a clue:

    One of the more popular services at Solantic, the urgent care chain co-founded by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, is drug testing, according to Solantic CEO Karen Bowling.

    Given Solantic’s role in that marketplace, critics are again asking whether Scott’s policy initiatives – this time, requiring drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients – are designed to benefit Scott’s bottom line.

    The Palm Beach Post reported in an exclusive story two weeks ago that while Scott divested his interest in Solantic in January, the controlling shares went to a trust in his wife’s name…

    Solantic charges $35 for drug tests.

    It is unclear who will provision the testing — and there’s no indication it would be Solantic — but that decision will have to be fast-tracked. The governor’s decree orders testing to begin on job applicants in less than two months.

    So What’s the Bottom Line?

    Using Solantic’s price as a base, at $35 per test for 168,000 employees, the cost for one round would be $5.8 million. If all employees are tested once a quarter, that’s a cost to Florida taxpayers of $23.5 million per year. (If the tests still cost $90 each, the price tag for taxpayers would rise to $60.4 million a year.)

    Scott’s spokespeople deny there’s a conflict of interest here, but given Scott’s history of corruption — Columbia/HCA, the company he headed for 10 years, was fined $1.7 billion for defrauding Medicare in 1997 — it’s hard to imagine why anyone would give him the benefit of a doubt.

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    That's hilarious.

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    this is dumbest crap I ever heard of. if your employee's performance is indicative of someone with a drug problem, get rid of them. if their performance isn't indicative of someone with a drug problem, what do you care if they're smoking pot at night?

    and aren't we supposed to be cutting costs?

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    Of course not. Moral nannying just increases the scope and power of government.

    The War on Drugs is, of course, the worst of all. Not only has been it been expensive in police enforcement costs, but the development and boom of the industrial prison complex and the destruction of urban economies as significant swathes of the potential workforce there are shipped off the prison for non-violent crimes or as the result of violence involved in participating in the drugs black market created by the inane moral nannying of our government's elder statesmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Lives! View Post
    this is dumbest crap I ever heard of. if your employee's performance is indicative of someone with a drug problem, get rid of them. if their performance isn't indicative of someone with a drug problem, what do you care if they're smoking pot at night?

    and aren't we supposed to be cutting costs?
    well said bob.

    this is disgusting. in a time when gov workers are having their power $#@! out the back door - this guy just send more money to the private sector for a useless endeavor. this isn't capitalism. this is corruption under outdated moral BS

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    Scott’s spokespeople deny there’s a conflict of interest here, but given Scott’s history of corruption — Columbia/HCA, the company he headed for 10 years, was fined $1.7 billion for defrauding Medicare in 1997 — it’s hard to imagine why anyone would give him the benefit of a doubt.
    How this guy got elected to public office is amazing. Makes Perry look like a Boy Scout (Perry was, but you know what I mean).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Lives! View Post
    this is dumbest crap I ever heard of. if your employee's performance is indicative of someone with a drug problem, get rid of them. if their performance isn't indicative of someone with a drug problem, what do you care if they're smoking pot at night?

    and aren't we supposed to be cutting costs?
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staboned View Post
    well said bob.

    this is disgusting. in a time when gov workers are having their power $#@! out the back door - this guy just send more money to the private sector for a useless endeavor. this isn't capitalism. this is corruption under outdated moral BS
    and in this case, it's likely that "private sector" means "his own company"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimohorn View Post
    How this guy got elected to public office is amazing. Makes Perry look like a Boy Scout (Perry was, but you know what I mean).
    Not really. Perry was going to force the HPV vaccine upon my three daughters when they turned 11.

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    That is completely different.

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    what a bunch of $#@!, well at least I just renewed my FL DL and don't have to deal with state employees until 2019. that's good cause if they ain't got they dope they gonna be wayyyyyyy cranky.

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    that is worthy of a good chuckle. if only it was written by The Onion instead.

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    This crap is so stupid. Just another revenue generating "law".

    I am actually for drug testing people on welfare/unemployment because if they go get a job somewhere, then they will have to take a drug test most likely. So why keep paying them if they fail, meaning they are unemployable. If somone is on welfare, I dont want to be paying for their coke, or pot, or malt liquor. Or freaking big screen tv's.

    That being said, the marijuana laws are retarded. I dont smoke the stuff, but I also dont want to continue paying $23478634509832458735665385.76 per year on "the war on drugs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Lives! View Post
    this is dumbest crap I ever heard of. if your employee's performance is indicative of someone with a drug problem, get rid of them. if their performance isn't indicative of someone with a drug problem, what do you care if they're smoking pot at night?

    and aren't we supposed to be cutting costs?
    I think its dog$#@! too but you can't fire goverment employees like you can in the private sector for performance issues. This is an easy way out for them to thin the herd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    I think its dog$#@! too but you can't fire goverment employees like you can in the private sector for performance issues. This is an easy way out for them to thin the herd.
    sure you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimohorn View Post
    How this guy got elected to public office is amazing. Makes Perry look like a Boy Scout (Perry was, but you know what I mean).
    I love it. Tea party voters angry over wasteful spending, including wasteful medicare spending due to fraud, elect a guy who defrauded billions out of medicare. You can't make this $#@! up.

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    It's corrupt and terrible, but that author is misreading the policy, I think.

    The drug testing program is supposed to provide for the possibility that every employee could be tested quarterly. So a random testing program that hits, say, 10% of employees every quarter would meet the requirements.

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    Keep thinking your party is for smaller government right wing voters.

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    I think huck is right. Seems like a misreading to me, but it really doesn't take away from the grand stupidity of drug tests in the workplace for any purpose other then safety issues. Testing all new hires without any consideration of their role is not a safety issue.

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    Establishing a program with the "potential" for each employee to be tested quarterly doesn't mean every employee will be tested 4X a year. That's why they call it "random drug testing." What? You thought it meant they tested for different drugs at different times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huckleberry View Post
    It's corrupt and terrible, but that author is misreading the policy, I think.

    The drug testing program is supposed to provide for the possibility that every employee could be tested quarterly. So a random testing program that hits, say, 10% of employees every quarter would meet the requirements.
    Bingo.........based on the quotes below the author of the article should, himself be fired for a DELIBERATELY biased article:

    Jon Ponder | Mar. 30, 2011
    Part of the series, Assault on Florida.

    Last week, Florida’s already wildly unpopular new Republican governor, Rick Scott, issued an executive order requiring state employees to submit to drug tests at least four times a year.
    Based on the website where this article is published I would bet there is a lot of "misreading" of policies and the like from this crew.
    Last edited by Tennesseehorn; 04-01-2011 at 09:43 PM.

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    I know the SC has said that drug testing is OK but I don't think it should be. Perhaps the relaxed rules in several states concerning medicinal marijuana will force them into looking at it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennesseehorn View Post
    Bingo.........based on the quotes below the author of the article should, himself be fired for a DELIBERATELY biased article:



    Based on the website where this article is published I would bet there is a lot of "misreading" of policies and the like from this crew.
    In a poll released the day before the article was written, his approval came in at 32%. Wildly unpopular is a perfectly accurate description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzou415 View Post
    In a poll released the day before the article was written, his approval came in at 32%. Wildly unpopular is a perfectly accurate description.
    "...even as he prepared to enter office last December, PPP found that only about a third of voters liked him...Now roughly the same amount approve of his job performance (32%)"

    "...the main thing he has done is tick off Democrats, who have gone from 60% unfavorable to 81% disapproval in three months."

    Only 41% of those polled said they voted for him in the last election.

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    The GOP's gonna get trounced in 2012. And they will mightily deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButURBlancheURNthatChair View Post
    The GOP's gonna get trounced in 2012. And they will mightily deserve it.
    Care to elaborate ol' swami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButURBlancheURNthatChair View Post
    The GOP's gonna get trounced in 2012. And they will mightily deserve it.
    Just like they did in 2010! And 2004! And 2002! And 2000! And 1998! And 1994!

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    Nice to see that the public tax dollars are being spent wisely in Florida.

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    anyone who is defending this but has cried wolf about the budget should be called out.

    yes, i know there is a difference in state and federal funding but most states including florida face a budget shortfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastasis View Post
    I think huck is right. Seems like a misreading to me, but it really doesn't take away from the grand stupidity of drug tests in the workplace for any purpose other then safety issues. Testing all new hires without any consideration of their role is not a safety issue.
    It's not terribly uncommon in the private sector.

    And I agree that the article is retardedly misleading. More realistic would be ~12,000 tests & $300,000 per year .

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    Just like they did in 2010! And 2004! And 2002! And 2000! And 1998! And 1994!
    1. '94 = Contract with America (we're *for real* this time!).
    2. '00 = Blowjob, family values, no nation building, uniter not a divider (Bob Bullock disciple).
    3. '02 = Saddam is 911 and he has WMD (and why do you hate the troops?).
    4. '04 = Swiftvets, unfit to lead, orange alert, don't let the terris win, it's a time of war (and he's a "War President").
    5. '10 = Death panels, where are the jobs?, OMGDebificits, Hitler/Stalin takeovers,
    ARMAGEDDON, I wan't my country back (and we're really really really *for real* this time).

    Despite this chimerical refresh of theme, the GOP is always "constitutionally" the same. A whip-snapped hoedown of "anger populism" dirty dancing with a revolving cabal of nimble fingered corporate pickpockets. You win elections by suctioning the creamy middle out of the electorate, gravitationally drawing susceptible bystanders into the vortex of a prodigious psychological deception. However, the pedestrian "rigors of governance" expose you, evaporating each charade, thus perpetuating a state of cyclical reformat. The GOP, at heart, is a seduction by alluring flower arrangement - doomed for the dumpster.

    The Democrats live and die by 1 fragrant carnation: TURNOUT

    RW foundering and overreach reliably galvanizes the left. Symptomatic favoritism to the rich (once boiled over by excess - as in Wisconsin) provokes the "Big Tent Circus" into feverish revolt. Conversely, it's the terror of democratic success (the prospect of permanent minority founded exclusively on unmanageable demographics) which energizes the "purity tent" of the right. And it is this fear which justifies the pursuit of victory without ethical boundaries of any sort. Thus, the Right fabricates and promotes the large overlapping lie - one that is compelling enough to spill over into the psyches of other groups, plucking the feeble ones. And as the pattern above illustrates - it never lasts, and never will.

    Inevitably, UNLESS YOU GENUINELY REFORMAT, you'll succumb to numbers. Wisconsin just gave you a hint of things to come.

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